Greg - I would always have the person at the top of the key responsible for getting back on defense. Everyone else should crash the boards! Keep in mind that this spread offense will get lots of dribble drive penetration. That allows you to get lots of rebounds in the following ways Many times if you follow a player driving in for a lay up, you'll find the ball in your lap for a rebound.
That's one of the best times to crash the boards. If you emphasize rebounding, teach players to anticipate, and teach players where the ball is most likely to go, you can rebound very effectively with this offense. If you really want to get good at rebounding, check out this book. Follow the advice there and you can rebound extremely well no matter what offense you run. I ran this for 3 years with a few more wrinkles. I allowed the passer to either pass and cut or pass and screen away.
The guy being screened would then either replace the screener or curl to the basket and then the same action would occur with replacing and floor balance. I also liked the dribble hand off with the option to go backdoor or curl off the hand off. With these options, the defense would have to worry about more things happening. I just concluded my 5th grade boys season and ran a motion offense for the first time this year. I absolutely loved the offense! I initially tried a set but found the boys at the free throw line and under the basket "got lost" - never were fully involved.
I transitioned into a 5-out where all five became much more involved. We had a few basic rules but really stressed and practiced for the kids to be able to read the defense for opportunities. The kids loved being in control. I really believe teaching the kids to read and react rather than being somewhat mechanical with set plays speeds in their understanding of the game.
We played several teams that were lost if their set plays did not work. Sticking to some basic Motion Offense rules lessens these chaotic moments. I recommend the Motion Offense ebook - great resource! I can't wait to get back in the gym with the kids. This is a motion offense with specific actions for certain movements. For example, when you pass you must cut and others will fill spots as well as dribble at someone and backdoor cut. These are basic motion rules but in the Read and React there are rules which allow the players to know what to do in different situations.
I really enjoy this offense because it is teaching young men how to play the game. Also, it can be run against man and zone which is great. Against a zone after you pass you fill one of the 4 spots in the lane and wait until the next pass is made to leave. Great offensive system and also Great website y'all are running. I have been hooked for the last few days!.
I would like to ask a few questions of the crowd here, as I have attempted to implement this offense in mid-season to keep our kids from dribbling aimlessly and trying to do the same thing everytime down court. They are year-olds. I have had some success at matching them up two-on-two with me passing the ball. This was aimed at teaching them to move without the ball and screen for each other, curl and basket cut.
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When I put five together on the court and try to get them moving, they all move. No problem there. Problem is they don't move to a spot that would make the rules work. If the point passes to a wing and goes to set a screen, and the wing opposite is gone cutting to the basket, then clearing out to the corner, and the corner man is standing in the short corner five feet away, the opposite corner has crashed the boards, and we have a smashup in the lane. I can't deal with the lack of disciplined movement. I have attempted to lecture them on moving with a purpose thusly: If you leave your spot on the floor other than to crash the boards , you must do one of four things: cut to the basket, screen away from the ball, screen on the ball, or v-cut to get open on the perimeter.
I have been sold on 5-out for a while now, but implementing it is not easy at all, and certainly can't be done in one practice with the level of grey matter I have. We have five with some talent and five that can't tie their shoes. I have the book, but here is what I'd really like to see: how about taking some kids say, and shooting video of them moving in a patterned way without defense to get the basics down, then later in the video with defense to give them the perspective of keeping spacing?
Video wouldn't have to be more than 20 minutes. This is all so simple, but so foreign to these kids. Any suggestions would be appreciated greatly. And what about video? Anyone skilled in that area? Coach Roberts, I can feel your pain. I just started working with a group of 3rd graders as well. On the first day, I gave them the simple rule of pass and move.
They were running into each other, all moving at the same time, tripping, and everything else. Now before I give you this step by step advice, keep this in mind. Things are going to look UGLY for the next few years. And when you start to see a few of your kids playing high school ball, it should be very rewarding. Here is a sample 3on3 progression to get them started: 1. After every pass, basket cut. Teaches them to value the pass. After every pass, set a ball screen.
After every pass, set a ball screen or basket cut. After every pass, set an away screen. After every pass, move. Now, this progression could easily take the whole season to go through if not next year too. Every time, I would walk them through the progression without a defense. Then, I would add a defense and play 3 on 3 or 4 on 4. I disagree about the 9 and 10 year olds not being able to learn-or worse becoming robots, you just have to break it down into the smallest steps and then let them digest it in pieces before putting everything together.
We have run successful AAU programs for 10 and Under through 18 and Under with the same fundamental offenses and defenses. They are capable, you just have to teach differently and start slow. As for the offense, I would incorporate a few screens to free up younger players that have a hard time penatrating. For zone, we use this offense and then post up the weekside baseline, with a flash to the open post. Then rotate them back to baseline.
The cuts are less effective against a zone defense so you have to teach the kids to look for open space and pausing long enough to get a pass. Anyway, that is my two cents. I'd love to hear how you set up your program as far as offenses for younger kids. I'm having a hard time with this. I have one kid dribbling all over the floor, one kid who just wants to launch 3s, and 3 other kids who either don't move or they come right next to the ball handler and ask for the ball. These are 8 year olds for reference. Thanks, Joe, for the wise advice. I wrote this late last night after a headache-inducing practice.
Our team has won four out of seven games this season. The four games we won we won by thirty or more. The ones we lost were by large amounts also. The disparity of talent at this age is amazing. What are your thoughts on putting together a video of some younger kids running the 5-out cutters. It would be far more powerful than attempting to teach them individually or as a group. They could watch the video over and over and over until they get the sequencing, spacing, etc.
I have added a post-up cut for my 5. He's really tall and athletic, and it could be that he scores most of our points. I'm a bit of a purist in that I want all the kids to have a good experience, but I'm starting to realize how little control I have over that. Thanks again for the tips!. We are also developing some more DVDs that go more in-depth on teaching offense among many other things to beginners and advanced youth players.
The Cutters DVD is a good idea. However, I wouldn't fixate on it too much with a youth team. Even though, it is going to be ugly at first, I like to teach them the motion. Be careful about getting them to watch a DVD over and over again. I know you want what is best for the kids, but from my experience, kids dislike watching instructional DVDs and we don't want them to get the same feelings towards basketball.
Now, I average about 5 a week. And don't worry about the wins and losses. This usually affects parents more than it does the kids. Ten minutes after the game is over, the kids are more concerned with where they can eat some pizza. Usually the coaches who teach the right things take bumps and bruises all the way thorugh the 6th grade level.
From feedback, this seems to be the age that they start to really turn things on from years of doing things the right away. Sometimes, it's 6th grade. Sometimes, it's 7th grade. Sometimes, it's not until they reach high school. I know a coach who took bumps and bruises along the way and ended up record their 8th grade year. He coached a smaller, private school team and now they have 8 of 10 players who made the teams at the local Kansas City high school which is a pretty big deal. You're usually lucky if you can have 1 or 2 kids make the team in the KC area.
I like the idea of getting everyone involved especially if you have 5 athletic players on the court. I coach M. I'm a little concerned that if any of the cuts aren't open, it'll just become a passing game. I've seen this in some of the other motion offenses I've run, especially against zones. I have to call time out and tell my girls that the object of the game is to score!
I will be implementing this open post offense this year for my freshman group. We simply do not have a post player. Question however is what do you teach in terms of how player relocate when there is penetration? Any help would be great. That's a good question, C. There are different things you can do. Some teach circle movement. If a player dribbles to the right, all of the players rotate one spot to the right. Since I want my players to get smarter, I tell them to fill a spot.
Sometimes, they won't even have to move to find an open spot. Sometimes, you will drive and they will have to move. Don Kelbick told me that he likes to take his offense through situations and show them where the defense might come from and let them decide where they should go. Can this open post offense be used against all zone defenses? Thank you. Yes, it can. However you''ll want to make adjustments to use banana cuts, finding gaps, stopping to post up, etc. Our head coach I assist plans to run this offense for a fifth grade B team with the attendant range of skill levels.
However, I'm struggling with a few issues, and would appreciate any feedback or ideas from others that have implemented it successfully with this age group. We tried to implement this offense last year with a 4B team, but I don't think it translated well and we scored most of our points off of fast breaks, perimeter shots and free-form penetrations.
Initially, it was a challenge to get the kids set up in the 5 spots and then to hold position with any consistency. The boys had a tendency to move towards the paint, and if one player wanders assuming you get set up to begin with , this offense seemed to really break down. A lack of so-called player discipline, which is a huge issue with younger kids, seems to be a problem with this and other more structured offenses. However, in my view the struggle with coaching many young players is developing some aggressiveness the "on-court observers" , so I would rather trade structure for developing some scoring instincts.
How are other coaches dealing with this in the context of the 5 out motion offense? The other problem I have is putting 2 players along the baseline, essentially as placeholders in the corner, since they are too far out to take a quality shot if you do push the ball to them. The final issue is rebounding. We tell the kids to stay in their spots and hold the perimeter but then tell them to crash the boards as soon as we take a shot. Its confusing for them.
Our offensive rebounding out of this offense was horrible last year. The problem was that the players have a lot of ground to cover to get to the hoop and its easy to box them out. We also got trapped as we were slow to the rebound and then out of position for the fast break coming back at us.
Recognizing that this is a B team of 10 and 11 year olds, do people think this offense is simply too much to expect and that it would be better off focusing on basket cuts and simpler give and go plays that are "read" based? Any ideas on how to get the baseline players more involved and to improve rebounding and transitioning to defense if you stay with this offense? For 4th and 5th graders, it will be difficult for them to run this offense exactly as demonstrated above. I like to teach the players spots, how to spread out, and offensive concepts.
If you can teach them to pass and cut, then go backdoor when overplayed, you'll be ahead of the game. If you would like to place some players in the post, I say go for it. However, be careful, because if players are just stuck in the post area, they never develop ball handling skills, and don't develop into well-rounded players. That's the reason I like the 5-out. But as I'm sure you already figured out, getting them to dribble, pass, and maintain body control footwork among other things is enough by itself.
It sounds like you're on the right path. I'm a rookie coach, so forgive my ignorance. I'm coaching 6th grade boys if that makes a difference. And thanks for the great website. Tom, Welcome to the greatest game in the world Teach fundamentals as best you can and please teach them how to play m2m defense.
As for the cut A passes to B on the wing Hope this helps. Tom, depending on the coach you ask, you might get two different options. Some coaches teach their players to always try to face cut because they swear they get more lay ups out of it. That meas that the offensive player will pass, then fake in the opposite direction, then cut in front of the defender's face towards the basket. Some coaches will teach two cuts. One is the face cut mentioned above.
You use that when the defender does not move on the pass. The second would be a rear cut. This is done when the defender jumps to the new defensive position "on the line. So rather than trying to get in front of the defender, the offensive player just cuts straight to the basket. Joe: I'll be coaching a 14u AAU team this year. Do you find this offense effective at this level? We ran the flex last year on my 13u team and it was effective, but we'll have several skilled guards this year and I wanted to add a spread offense to take advantage of their skills.
Are there any other spread offenses you'd recommend? Mike - We ran an Open Post Offense at the high school level We ran our set a little higher so we could get more back door looks - to each his own on this. We reversed the ball a few times to break down the defense, then we were looking for cutters which we would take off the first pass if he was open getting open going to the basket TAKES from the wing if the help D broke down and from the top if everyone was in a denial position and 3s when they got lazy and didn't cover us well.
Mike, I think you would definitely find it effective with the right personnel. John's used it at the college level to beat Duke last year. I like to use the 5-out and teach the basic pass and cut, pass and screen away, then let them just go motion where they pick what they are going to do. I will also have a few sets to counter defenses like high pick and rolls and flare screens to counter sagging defenses. If a player ever has an advantage in the post, I will allow them go to the post or post for 2 seconds after the cut.
I have run this offense with a variety of underage groups fro nearly 20 years with good success at all age group levels and with boys and girls. It teaches kids to move without the basketball, to look to score first through square up and rip through when they catch the ball. Above all it teaches timing, decision making and can be used as the basis for any terminal plays. It demands good spacing and good cutting techniques. What about off-ball movement on dribble penetration? Hi Stefan, That is a great question and you will probably get 10 different answers if you ask 10 different coaches.
If I were you, I'd do some research and figure out what works best for you. You can tell them to "find the open spot. If the player is on the perimeter, it could be a backdoor cut. Sometimes, it could be a slide to the top of the key, the wing, or the corner. If a player is in the post, you can have the post player flash high when the player dribbles baseline.
When the player drives middle, you might have them slide to the short corner. After you figure out movements for certain situations, you can break down that drill into a shooting drill to get player's repetitions in that situation. This is a great suggestion.
Here is something I picked up from a College coach, especially vs zones but it can work against m2m also. Very simple suggestion Make sure your players get into passing lanes, plain and simple. IF they cant see you, they cant pass you the ball. After a cut, is it beneficial to back screen for a corner player? Is tis effective, or does it clog the lane? Carlo - You can try it but my guess is that it would clog up the lane and throw off the timing of the next cuts. I am a new coach and looking at using this offense for my 5th graders. How do I assign positions for this? Aaron - The important thing and good thing is that you are going to have to teach everyone the same skills We ran something similar to this at the Varsity level and of course its a little easier for them but they ALL had to learn the above skills.
You will just be doing this at a very basic level. This offense should give every player touches and a chance to take the ball to the basket, read the defense and get open shots. As for us, we looked for the back door stuff all the time Good luck, this is a tough age group to teach any offense to.
KISS method early and be patient. My older son has played for a number of years and was always taught at that age to sag on someone at the 3 point line because at that age they can't make that shot. Patience is the key here Hubie Brown calls this the "Human Factor. Just run your offense until you get the shot you want. Not sure who said this I know I used this all the time "The hardest teams to defend are the ones that reverse the ball.
I thought I just posted something and I think it disappeared Kevin, a good sagging defense will make this offense more difficult to run. That's what a lot of teams did against the high school team that I played for. However, it didn't work that great because we had some kids who could shoot and drive, so they mostly zoned us. However, at the 3rd and 4th grade level, I haven't seen a man defense that won't break down after 2 to 3 passes.
So like Ken said, as long as you're patient, things will turn out. Try some of these things in your scrimmages: - No dribble - No jump shots until after 10 passes. When kids start to reach 5th and 6th grade, I will start to introduce pass and screen away concepts. This will help a little against that type of defense. For high school age kids and advanced middle school teams, I will also incorporate flare screens and ball screens to counter this. This tends to help me the most. However, if you're working on flare screens with 3rd and 4th graders, you might be jumping ahead too quickly and working on stuff that won't benefit them as much over the long haul.
For younger kids, ball screens can be a great counter. Take the offensive player of the kids sagging in the lane and set a ball screen.
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It could be a very simple play that you run a few times a game. This offense if you teach it the way Huggins does you have no problem at all taking advantage of sagging defense. We have ran it for five years and gone so I believe it works. After passing players may cut to the goal, screen away, or cut to the ball. If teams sag the cut to the ball acts like a pick and roll with a euro cut for the replace on the wing. I'm thinking of trying this with the 5th grade travel team. I'm going to review it at practice and see how it goes.
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I'm not sure my guys will always be able to get the pass off, and they're not all good enough slashers that I want them taking it to the hole if they can't get a pass off. What do you suggest to do if they're having a hard time getting a pass off? I have one or two guys that can really create their own shot, and I want to maximize their scoring opportunities. To add to my comments above, I'm also wondering if and how you could work in some ball screens.
Thank you for your questions, Dave. That really forces them to work on their footwork and passing. I practice this drill in both the half court and full court. I think if you have one or two guys that are good scorers, this offense would work great. At least, it did with my good scorers. My good dribble penetrators were very good at timing the basket cut of the other player's and penetrating shortly after. A couple of reservations If you are looking to have this offense look good within a practice or two This will take weeks and possibly an entire season However, I still highly recommend it because it takes the kids how to play and move without the ball.
A Nike youth program in the town that I live in uses this as the foundation for all of their youth teams. Maximizing the scoring opportunities for your two best players.
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I get this mentality because I've done it before. However, you need to be careful that you don't do this just to win games and that you maximize everybody's experience. You want everybody touching the ball and improving. Otherwise, you just get one or two players that are dominating the ball and the rest of the players don't gain as much from the season as they should have. Not to mention, this will help everybody down the road including the two better players because they learn how to play team ball and their teammates will be better which will result in the teammates pushing each other to higher levels.
When I teach offense to youth teams, I start with this as the foundation, then I progress to: - Pass and screen away - Reacting to dribble penetration. When I teach the 5-out motion, I give them a few simple rules, then I let them play. And another thing - what are the options for the "cutter" when they receive the pass and can''t get the shot off?
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Dribble out? Pass to the perimeter? I need help breaking zone defense. Two girls can dribble pretty good. Thank you very much for the tip.. So it was great,these are details but if you dont consider your set will not run well. I believe that without focus on details you'll miss thaugh games. Thank you so much. Very exciting I am sure it will be usefull for building our set play.
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These are great coaching tips especially for new coaches. Fundamentals are so key to having success as a team at any level. Really great tips. Many thanks. I also want to thank you for all the tips you are giving us it it helping us alot since coaching clinics are very rare here we appreciate your effort. This tips r amazing but my coach dont wanna use it!!! Im srry coach ur not doing that great but ur good hehe just playing ur greaat at ur job keep up the hard work see ya. Pls i luv d game very much but i don't know where to learn it in abuja,nigeria.
There are a lot of great tips on this link and on this SITE. Jeff and Joe have done a great job with it I think that every coach can learn something.. Coach Dianne, Welcome to the greatest gig in the world Relax, keep learning the game and teach your kids fundamentals I'm not sure what level you are coaching at KISS - The key to being a good coach is to be super organized and prepared. Have good practice plans, go to clinics or talk to some high school or college coaches if you can, they are a great resource.
Good luck and make sure your kids have fun. Jimmie - As for this tip - Tip 5 - Practice The recurring theme to all these tips revolves around practice. Practice is where points are scored. You should continually practice and refine your plays so your players know their roles, fundamentals, and everything so they can run the play in their sleep.
Repetition, repetition, repetition! Here is something I picked up from Kevin O'Neal when he was at Northwestern - He ran every set he had at the beginning of practice for every player and every option without a defense. I started doing that and found it to be very helpful. Encourage other players to play better and celebrate successful plays quickly when possible. Something as simple as good shot or nice grab can lift your teammates to a higher playing level.
I don''t see a lot of discussion regarding what players should do when a designed play flops. Do they reset and try to run the exact same play? Do they run a completely different play an an effort to keep the defense off balance? How do you recover from a play gone wrong? Dave - I coached boys varsity ball for many years IF the last option didn't work we went right into our open post offense. I think thats the best thing to do, the more you have to re set, the easier it is for the defense to recover. IF you can get into your main offense after your set it makes it more difficult for the D.
Hope this helps. I am a first year coach teaching 3rd and 4th grade girls. The majority of the girls have never played before. With that said, I struggle with limted practice time, 45 minutes per week, with my approach. They need so much work on dribbling, passing, and shooting. We only get half court to practice. When I concentrate on the fundamentals, I run out of time to work on offense.
When I work on the motion offense, I cut down on the time that each girl has a ball in their hands. Any thoughts on, which way to go with the limited time I have and the skill level of the girls? I feel your pain here Work a lot on fundamentals, that will help you in the long run. When you run a drill, try to do something that will accomplish more than 1 thing Don't worry about winning, keep teaching the fundamentals and make sure that they are having fun Kirk, I had the same problem when I coached youth.
I collected drills that worked on at least two, preferably three, skills at once. And I got most of them on this site. I love 1v1 drills because they are intense offense and defense and you don't need a full court. Even simple dribbling drills, when you add a defender, start accomplishing more. Also, look up 'post ups' on this site I think this is where I got it.
Great multifunctional drill. Good Tips Y. I am currently coaching year olds. I cannot get them to run a screen play. Whether it is on or off-ball. What other play besides Iso can I try? I have a team that every one love to take the three point shot.